r/smallbatch - strain-questions

What is oties red bent like? And oties red gold? Is bent like going to put you to sleep every time or is it also like enjoyable.

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Is okies green md decent?

Yes

chuck

Is okies green md decent?

Okies greens are all above decent in my experience

Ty

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willha4567

What is oties red bent like? And oties red gold? Is bent like going to put you to sleep every time or is it also like enjoyable.

I've got a bag of oties red Bent from about 1.5 years ago so I can't really say for the new batch, but in general, Red Bentuangie kratom is taken for pain relief and sedation. My tolerance is a bit to high too get any warm fuzzys from heavily fermented reds, but I do enjoy mixing them with greens and whites when I'm having more pain than usual

(edited)

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Not sure if this is the right sub section of the chat but does anyone have experience with Okies crushed leaf tea? Not sure how many grams to use for a tea and what temp and how long to steep

17:24

Thank you!

Any recommendations for the strongest non fermented Red strain Kratom ?

My red jongkong

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Cyndiann

My red jongkong

That red jongkong is great, I just posted a picture of it in the kratom beauty pictures chat

SPAZMANE

Not sure if this is the right sub section of the chat but does anyone have experience with Okies crushed leaf tea? Not sure how many grams to use for a tea and what temp and how long to steep

I've used the red crushed leaf from Otie's to make extract. Worked just fine. I did save some to have in tea now that cooler weather is here.

SPAZMANE

Not sure if this is the right sub section of the chat but does anyone have experience with Okies crushed leaf tea? Not sure how many grams to use for a tea and what temp and how long to steep

Add two grams to usual dose, use water that isn't boiling, the way I tend to do it is boil the water then wait 5 mins or so to start steeping. I steep for 15 mins, you can also steep it for hours then refrigerate if you want.

Cae

Add two grams to usual dose, use water that isn't boiling, the way I tend to do it is boil the water then wait 5 mins or so to start steeping. I steep for 15 mins, you can also steep it for hours then refrigerate if you want.

You're the real MVP thank you. Did you notice it has more of a sedating or stimulating effect? Kinda want to try tonight but I don't want to stay up all night gotta work in the am

Depends on what strain you use, same as powder

20:06

I usually only do red or yellow tea, because I need the pain relief more than anything.

Has anyone tried the vendor tbsc?

21:52

If so how are they

I use them for botanicals, haven't tried their kratom but everything I've gotten from them has been great quality

I have sm from them... Starburst... It's pretty decent, it's Vietnam yellow and sm red...

Cae

I use them for botanicals, haven't tried their kratom but everything I've gotten from them has been great quality

Thank you I appreciate it I'm interested in the whites prices are pretty good I'll check em out

Overdose_hippy

I have sm from them... Starburst... It's pretty decent, it's Vietnam yellow and sm red...

Thanks homie I'ma check them out

Sweetttt

I'd give em a go, get a small batch and see if it hits for you

Well y'all I'm bouta call it a night... Good night fam!! Been a long ass day, even longer 1 tmrw

Night @Overdose_hippy

Good night No-Desc... Night everybody

Steeler45$

Has anyone tried the vendor tbsc?

I've had the yellow vietnam, red maeng da and rainbow and they were pretty good.

herbsandmusic

I've had the yellow vietnam, red maeng da and rainbow and they were pretty good.

Good look bro I'ma try them

Anyone know if Rick's botanicals super red nano is fermented? It's pretty dark so I'm assuming yes.

Steeler45$

Good look bro I'ma try them

Also just wanted to add that they have these 15mg mit gummies that are awesome. Taste horrible lmao but have good effects. Since they're equivalent to a gram of powder it's easy to get a dose right or cut powder down a gram and eat a gummy. I liked them for that anyway lol

is it normal that the Kratom from one vendor that claims to have over 1.4% feels stronger that the Kratom from a vendor that says their Kratom is 1.5% ?

Kerosene

is it normal that the Kratom from one vendor that claims to have over 1.4% feels stronger that the Kratom from a vendor that says their Kratom is 1.5% ?

Yes mit% is only part of the story.

Kerosene

is it normal that the Kratom from one vendor that claims to have over 1.4% feels stronger that the Kratom from a vendor that says their Kratom is 1.5% ?

From what I understand there's a lot of other factors in the leaf that we feel besides just the mit.. The rest of the alkaloid profile plays a big part in what we feel. I've had some strains lab tested at 1.8%+ hit harder than some that were 1.3-1.5%

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10:10

I got that backwards, I've had 1.3% feel stronger than 1.8%

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Same way crushed leaf is a whole different ballgame

Crushed leaf hit completely different?

Dr. Dunkelstein

Same way crushed leaf is a whole different ballgame

And with crushed leaf you just usually make a tea with it yeah?

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you can or make extract

10:13

Red crushed leaf makes really good extract

Ever tried making extract from it?

10:13

Doh that answers that

357 Magnum was red crushed leaf

Oh lord, gonna have to ask you to chill dunk. I’m easy to convince to go out and buy crushed leaf to make an extract

I have a K of green crushed leaf coming LOL

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What’s prices of crushed leaf usually run?

SoulXDestro

What’s prices of crushed leaf usually run?

I got a hookup for $45 k for the green

Sheesh, that’s not bad at all. How many grams of it did you use in your 357 again?

200G and got 25.3G in extract

11:21

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Oh man, that’s not to shabby

Roots Bloody Roots will be stronger

11:22

it'll be 300G and I'm aiming for 35G or so

If you did 300g and got 25 again wouldn’t that make it stronger? I spose 300 to 35 would too but that’s how that works right?

It all depends really

So many things play into factor, hard to tell. But you make some really good extracts so I know it’ll be good

I can't predict it. I have little tricks to get a little more here or there, but how much alks per ounce of liquid is a slight predictor

All a learning process, takes time lol. The tricks come slowly

this batch I'm using 72 oz of solution that's it. What i start with it is all I'll have. I have 3 jars with 24 oz of solution & 50G ea. After shaking and mixing the tea over 3 days I'll draw off all the tea I can and start 3 new jars of 50G ea thewn freeze the last runs leaf til the end

Nice! The freezing makes a huge difference in my opinion

Dr. Dunkelstein

this batch I'm using 72 oz of solution that's it. What i start with it is all I'll have. I have 3 jars with 24 oz of solution & 50G ea. After shaking and mixing the tea over 3 days I'll draw off all the tea I can and start 3 new jars of 50G ea thewn freeze the last runs leaf til the end

Do you use a certain temp for steeping? Also How many days do you usually let them sit/steep for? I usually do 160 degrees and only for about a few hours of steeping before freezing.

SoulXDestro

Nice! The freezing makes a huge difference in my opinion

Definitely

herbsandmusic

Do you use a certain temp for steeping? Also How many days do you usually let them sit/steep for? I usually do 160 degrees and only for about a few hours of steeping before freezing.

all my extractions are in the fridge. i freeze after 3 days/washes and thaw it, add some baking soda and crock pot it on keep warm for 3 hours

I found a combo of heating and cooling a couple of times before freezing really draws out alot of alkaloids. From just looking at the jar and what I’ve got, the heating and cooling then freezing gave me very dark red color.

Dr. Dunkelstein

all my extractions are in the fridge. i freeze after 3 days/washes and thaw it, add some baking soda and crock pot it on keep warm for 3 hours

This is gonna sound dumb but do you place the jars in the crockpot and turn on or do you dumb your stuff in the crockpot.

dumped out

11:44

when it's done I let it cool and ladle it into jars and fridge. I top draw all I can off and then strain it for the last

Interesting, I would have figured leave in the jar. Why I asked

when it goes in the crock pot I put a minimum of tea in there. Less straining the better

Hmm so you heat after freezing again? Interesting I bet that would draw more alks. (edited)

herbsandmusic

Hmm so you heat after freezing again? Interesting I bet that would draw more alks. (edited)

I thaw either on the counter or in the fridge depends on how much time I got to mess about

herbsandmusic

Hmm so you heat after freezing again? Interesting I bet that would draw more alks. (edited)

Yes I do again one last time and then fully let it cool befor I do anything else with it

I sonicate it at the beginning and after the freeze before the crock pot too

Dr. Dunkelstein

I sonicate it at the beginning and after the freeze before the crock pot too

You sonicate it too!?

11:47

Crazy

Okay. I'm gonna try that next extraction.

11:47

Do you use lemon juice or acv?

yes I go solution, sonicate, fridge 3 days (36 hours min. not carved in stone) freeze, thaw, sonicate, crock pot

11:48

both

What do you use to sonicate it?

acv & lem

Interesting dunk. I’ve seen two people talk about sonicatinf now. Gonna have to buy one lol

11:49

Which one did yoh buy dunk?

shhh secret

It kinda is a secret

Original message was deleted or could not be loaded.

Nice

$30 jewelry ulra sonic cleaner

Okay I deleted it lol

ultra

Well dang it. I was looking at a freakin $900 one

I want a cool one but the cheapest is over $100

Is it in a water bottle of the glass jar when your sonicating?

Gonna put mine on the dryer to test it, see if it works good lmao

SoulXDestro

Well dang it. I was looking at a freakin $900 one

Damn!

11:52

Way out ny range lol

it's a plastic bottle with the top cut out I add the solution and 25G in the bottle and sit it in the reservoir and add water to the line

Nice! I’ll def be buying one and trying it

it warms too

12:02

the reaction warms

12:03

I run it the highest amount 480 seconds then stir it up and another 480

Thank you for the tip and a cheaper one to use lol

Mitra Mike told me I should get one, so i got one LOL

12:04

I also have and use a magnetic stir plate but it isn't heated

12:06

only time my extracts are out of the fridge is during a process or windowsill for several hours for a high 7OH batch

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I would like one those

saw it in a video once. Seemed handy

12:06

I’ll be saving tips from work to purchase the sonicate though for sheen

12:06

For sure**

for Charlie!

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That’s funny

magnetic stir plate is $30 on amazon too

Probably be good to get a heated one huh

https://www.amazon.com/ANZESER-Magnetic-Stirrer-Stirring-Capacity/dp/B07GQDSBTT/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2UOKCGFZ5F9AE&keywords=magnetic+stir+plate&qid=1664122095&sprefix=magnetic+stir%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

ANZESER Magnetic Stirrer with 4PCS Stir Bars Set Stir Plate with St...

ANZESER Magnetic Stirrer with 4PCS Stir Bars Set Stir Plate with Stir Bar Retriever (NO Heating) 3000mL Magnetic Mixer 3000RPM Lab Stirrer

12:09

not my exact same one but very close

12:09

if you want to warm while striring

12:10

I usually put it on the stir plate after first sonication

Dr. Dunkelstein

https://www.amazon.com/ANZESER-Magnetic-Stirrer-Stirring-Capacity/dp/B07GQDSBTT/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2UOKCGFZ5F9AE&keywords=magnetic+stir+plate&qid=1664122095&sprefix=magnetic+stir%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

Cool.

Makes a green tornado

12:12

oh yeah you need a flat bottomed vessel for stir plate. Mason jar can work but the bottom is slightly domed

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Sweet! Thank you dunk!! You rock fam

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So I read California Poppy is like Opium Poppy but much more milder..has anyone tried California poppy extract..and how was it?? (edited)

Jon420nChill

So I read California Poppy is like Opium Poppy but much more milder..has anyone tried California poppy extract..and how was it?? (edited)

I’ve heard it feels nothing like it and is very subtle

18:42

I could be very wrong though

It is supposedly very subtle. I read somewhere that it has a bit of calming effect as well as mild pain relief.... I think I read that on one of the links that @Cae posted? (I think it was him. Apologize if it was someone else)

I use it, it's subtle

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18:44

And her, not him

18:45

But compared to morphine or something it's super subtle. More like kava than opium

Cae

And her, not him

Sorry. I assume almost everyone is a guy on the internet. Old habit from development forums where I was one of 3 non-male members at the time.

Lol I get it

My Discord account is from when I was still active on Dev channels and forums, etc

Yeah I've got way too many discord servers right now lol. Need to clean up

18:48

But as far as wanting to try Cali poppy, unless you dose super heavy it's basically relaxing. Nice heavy arms and legs, great for going to sleep. If you dose like 40g it's probably more opium like but I haven't tested that lol.

The dev channels are all but dead. Those still active are still on IRC and XDADEVELOPERS but I haven't even checked Dev discord servers in what feels like forever. I used to test custom windows mobile and later Android ROMs back in the day. Built my own custom ROMs too at one point

Nice

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Right on thanks y'all..I was curious bc of the articles @Cae left..

@Jon420nChill they make it sound more potent than it is. At least the dried plant. Now extracts is a whole different thing.

Ok..I just ask bc I saw Okies does have it..ive never tried it..

I will say tho, I'm on a rotation of kava, kratom, Cali poppy, wild lettuce, and akuamma and it's a nice way to keep tolerance down on everything.

18:51

I think Okies is an extract

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18:52

I get mine from Taunton Bay and it's crushed dried aerial parts. Nowhere near as strong as extract

Cae

I will say tho, I'm on a rotation of kava, kratom, Cali poppy, wild lettuce, and akuamma and it's a nice way to keep tolerance down on everything.

Ok sweet..I might have to try some of those other botanicals..thank you..:)

Np

Cae

I get mine from Taunton Bay and it's crushed dried aerial parts. Nowhere near as strong as extract

Bekkah shot me some of that

Accomplished-Ant1176

I’ve heard it feels nothing like it and is very subtle

That's what I've read.

Has anyone tried oties red gold?

Cae

I will say tho, I'm on a rotation of kava, kratom, Cali poppy, wild lettuce, and akuamma and it's a nice way to keep tolerance down on everything.

Have you tried kanna?

I have tried Oties red golf and I really like it..I bought a bigger bag right after I tried it!

12:03

Gold..lol

Cool. I just grabbed a 500g bag for 36 bucks

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You won't be disappointed.. honestly I was really surprised at how much I liked it! The red Malay is phenomenal too..

That's good to hear. I'm hoping it'll be the same for me. My first time trying okies

I have pretty much some of most everything there and it's all really pretty dang good..

12:23

I'm hoping it's the same for you too..

ill_passenger8207

Have you tried kanna?

Yeah but not a huge fan. It's a good product just doesn't help much with pain management

ill_passenger8207

Have you tried kanna?

It's interesting for sure. At first it's like an intense rush of energy. Like you just chugged 3 espressos or something lol then it calm dawn into. Relaxed happy state of mind. Slightly euphoric but I wouldn't say that more like mood elevation.

I have good kanna available mt55 extract and I also have raw kanna if anyone is interested o and kanna shots

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Northeast-botanicals.com

I have good kanna available mt55 extract and I also have raw kanna if anyone is interested o and kanna shots

Your MT55 extract is excellent man

@SaucySack96 thanks u .... I dont want people to think im tooting my own horn ... I just like to make people aware that we have it !

Northeast-botanicals.com

@SaucySack96 thanks u .... I dont want people to think im tooting my own horn ... I just like to make people aware that we have it !

Yeah y'all mfs have a concerning amount of Botanicals, lmao. In my head I imagine that part in The Matrix when Morphius makes the never ending isle guns appear outta nowhere, except instead of guns, it's herbs and supplements n stuff

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Ya lol I got lots !

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Northeast-botanicals.com

I have good kanna available mt55 extract and I also have raw kanna if anyone is interested o and kanna shots

Nice! I’ve been wanting to try it

I have too. Been reading about it lately

What up fam!

wondering if anyone knows if the red bali from purelife is fermented on not?

Fermented herb

17:41

Just got it delivered yesterday. Was surprised I thought maybe it was non fermented

What's the difference between fermented and non?

It's not as dark as others I've seen but it's pretty dark

herbsandmusic

What up fam!

wondering if anyone knows if the red bali from purelife is fermented on not?

Hell I messaged em never got a reply yet

I'll drop a pic of it when I get home

I look forward to their power blend

Is definitely sundried

I don’t think it is

17:43

^^^^ yes sun dried

But I wasn't sure if it was fermented or not

Wait sun dried and fermented differ?

17:43

Learn something new !

Don’t think it’s fermented

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Imma ask him hell lol

Mitraman Thai is dark and it’s non ferm

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How would we be able to tell if it's fermented vs sundried. I Assumed the darkness is due to it being fermented

boodiddly87

Wait sun dried and fermented differ?

Sun dried keeps way more alks.amd tend to be darker but Green reds are dried indoors

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Now it might be blended with some fermented though

17:46

Lucky’s red bali is partially fermented but not very much at all and it does give it a darker tint

I shot him a message asking I'll update everyone when I get a reply

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boodiddly87

How would we be able to tell if it's fermented vs sundried. I Assumed the darkness is due to it being fermented

Sun dried red is gonna be less “danky” and less deep reddish brown. It’ll most of the time look less grown with a small hint of gray

17:47

Brown *

Ahh gotcha! So the darkest kratom I've seen besides a black one is Lucky's red bentley. It's pretty dark red ish!

17:48

Fermented is when they keep it in bags for like 3 days right?

So I was reading on site and it says they dry theirs indoors. So I'm thinking fermented

17:52

But idk yet. We'll see

herbsandmusic

But I wasn't sure if it was fermented or not

it looks fermented to me

@Accomplished-Ant1176 @Unknown okay so it isn't fermented he said.

Wow!

17:58

Thank you herbs!

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Kerosene

it looks fermented to me

I was told no but I thought so as well

i see, maybe they used some sort of dye ?

No don't say dye

18:01

Never say Dye

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It's a mix of reds. I wouldn't think its dyed (edited)

18:02

Definitely not colorful enough for anything like that

boodiddly87

Ahh gotcha! So the darkest kratom I've seen besides a black one is Lucky's red bentley. It's pretty dark red ish!

Yep Lucky’s royal bent is def ferm

18:11

They have the only fermented strain I’ll use. I’m not a fan of any really but there’s is good for what it is. Fermented red is something I don’t really touch. I can get the same wants and needs out of a yellow Sumatra

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But yellow and red makes magic

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Dr. Dunkelstein

Never say Dye

im not assuming, it could be a possibility, i mean while the dye is food grade and it doesn't affect the quality of the Kratom i don't mind if my Kratom is Orange, Blue or Purple

herbsandmusic

It's a mix of reds. I wouldn't think its dyed (edited)

oh a mix, i thought it was just one strain

Kerosene

im not assuming, it could be a possibility, i mean while the dye is food grade and it doesn't affect the quality of the Kratom i don't mind if my Kratom is Orange, Blue or Purple

I'd hella down some purple kratom

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Kerosene

im not assuming, it could be a possibility, i mean while the dye is food grade and it doesn't affect the quality of the Kratom i don't mind if my Kratom is Orange, Blue or Purple

I know. I'm just saying how fired up the topic gets people is all.

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Did someone say….DYE????

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15:21

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1

Lmao

Cae

I'd hella down some purple kratom

if i can find some purple food coloring im gonna make purple Kratom

Cheddar

Did someone say….DYE????

Lmaooooo

I'd be all for it @Kerosene

BewitchedBotanical

Lmaooooo

Lol

Cae

I'd be all for it @Kerosene

Me three

Kerosene

if i can find some purple food coloring im gonna make purple Kratom

@Unknown can tell you some natural stuff to put in it to color like beet root etc

I would love to know that information!

Kerosene

I would love to know that information!

Red beet root for red coloring , blue butterfly pea flower for purple, tumeric for orange, red cabbage for blue

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Anybody know whos got the highest red strain mit%

I think it is Otie's Super Red MD, at a 1.91

Right on thanks..

But that excludes extracts, of course

Right..just regular leaf..

GoddessPallasAthena

But that excludes extracts, of course

You know your leaf!

Does anybody know if the Red MD from Koko Kratom is unfermented... I think is is, but not sure . Thanks

Overdose_hippy

Does anybody know if the Red MD from Koko Kratom is unfermented... I think is is, but not sure . Thanks

I have no idea but I’ve ordered from them several times and have never been disappointed.

Tbh the whole alkaloid profile matter. I have some leaf at 2.1 and some at 1.4. The 1.4 hits harder better everytime for me personally. Altho the 2.1 is a green and 1.4 is a red .and I've always been partial to reds.

herbsandmusic

Tbh the whole alkaloid profile matter. I have some leaf at 2.1 and some at 1.4. The 1.4 hits harder better everytime for me personally. Altho the 2.1 is a green and 1.4 is a red .and I've always been partial to reds.

^ this !!!!

11:50

You can have a high mit strain with low 7ohm and it wouldn’t hit as well. For example a 2.0% mit with low 7ohm (and other contributing alkaloids) may not be as good for you as a 1.6% with solid contributing alkaloids

11:50

In my experience I’ve found the best stuff is usually between 1.6-1.7% mit, but that’s all depending. High mit strains have been amazing for me but I love that people are starting to realize it’s not the sole contributing factor

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That is why I don't bother getting that tested. I already know mine is above average.

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Overdose_hippy

Does anybody know if the Red MD from Koko Kratom is unfermented... I think is is, but not sure . Thanks

It’s def unferm

I understand the difference between unfem and fem but which one is better

Depends on you really. I prefer unfermented. Seems to hit harder for me. But fermented has its uses.

Kbsassy

I understand the difference between unfem and fem but which one is better

I don’t use fermented bc of the taste and how you have to consume 2x as much and fermented is more prone to mold

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Kbsassy

I understand the difference between unfem and fem but which one is better

That’s one of the only labs I’m concerned with is fermented bc of the mold and yeast etc but I do have some ferm set back that is lab and good

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Mmm

Thank y'all for the info

Accomplished-Ant1176

That’s one of the only labs I’m concerned with is fermented bc of the mold and yeast etc but I do have some ferm set back that is lab and good

Interesting

how quick can they catch mold? Say if you store properly closed bag in a containers, air conditioned home away from sun…

@Down2Earth I also have great luck with 1.6 and 1.7 MIT and we can't forget that's not exactly low. All Natural Artisan's Red Bali is 1.77% and it blows my crotch off, it is so good.

20:28

@Unknown not sure about vendor practices, but I put my kratom in amber colored ball jars. Amber specifically because it's the only ball jar that protects the powder from UV rays. I have a lot of ball jars. I mean, many many many. But labs have become increasingly important to me--I remember in the early days of kratom we'd just swallow anything. My body obviously needs to be an EPA Superfund site.

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GoddessPallasAthena

@Unknown not sure about vendor practices, but I put my kratom in amber colored ball jars. Amber specifically because it's the only ball jar that protects the powder from UV rays. I have a lot of ball jars. I mean, many many many. But labs have become increasingly important to me--I remember in the early days of kratom we'd just swallow anything. My body obviously needs to be an EPA Superfund site.

Thank for replying much appreciated! I will look into this for sure!

herbsandmusic

Depends on you really. I prefer unfermented. Seems to hit harder for me. But fermented has its uses.

What I wonder is how does a non fermented red exist? From everything I have read, a red is created....by fermenting the leaves. If its not fermented, isn't it truly just a green at that point? What did they do differently to the non fermented red than the green since they both cane from the same trees?

Top_Ad_2377

What I wonder is how does a non fermented red exist? From everything I have read, a red is created....by fermenting the leaves. If its not fermented, isn't it truly just a green at that point? What did they do differently to the non fermented red than the green since they both cane from the same trees?

Red is drying process. You can do it without fermenting

21:17

And almost all kratom harvested has red veins

21:18

So drying indoors will look green but have red effects. Drying outdoors turns more brown but not fermented.

Top_Ad_2377

What I wonder is how does a non fermented red exist? From everything I have read, a red is created....by fermenting the leaves. If its not fermented, isn't it truly just a green at that point? What did they do differently to the non fermented red than the green since they both cane from the same trees?

It’s the vein

Fermenting also turns it brownish

Accomplished-Ant1176

It’s the vein

They are all red. White and green is drying methods or in rare cases, white can be young leaf

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21:19

90+ % of kratom in the US has red veins at harvest

PureLife Kratom

So drying indoors will look green but have red effects. Drying outdoors turns more brown but not fermented.

So a non fermented red would be dried differently than a green?

Top_Ad_2377

So a non fermented red would be dried differently than a green?

Typically buy everyone does it differently

So it depends on the drying and maturity of the leaf...

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PureLife Kratom

Typically buy everyone does it differently

Thank you! I have been curious about this for too long

Top_Ad_2377

Thank you! I have been curious about this for too long

There’s a lot more to it but there is only ONE kratom tree. It all grows in Borneo

Top_Ad_2377

Thank you! I have been curious about this for too long

Me too

But a lot of regions and differences in the soil causes up to 20+ genotypes

Wow cool

PureLife Kratom

But a lot of regions and differences in the soil causes up to 20+ genotypes

That's the draw right there

21:23

Like marijuana strains genotypes?

And the other alkaloids have different levels

Right, like different kinds of bud... It's all MJ

21:24

Tho... But different terp profiles.. as with ALK profile

21:25

I'm speculating here... Anyone feel free 2 step in and tell me "right or wrong"

GoddessPallasAthena

@Down2Earth I also have great luck with 1.6 and 1.7 MIT and we can't forget that's not exactly low. All Natural Artisan's Red Bali is 1.77% and it blows my crotch off, it is so good.

I’m sayin !!

PureLife Kratom

90+ % of kratom in the US has red veins at harvest

Facts, though there are some green veined leaves. Not quite as common as red thojgh

I know someone in Florida that has a tree with green veins. There is no red on it at all. It's growing in his yard.

@PureLife Kratom tried doing what you said but same thing

Also I have a video of friends in Indonesia where he showed me that planting in certain soil made the leaves change to have more than one point on each leaf.

Cyndiann

Also I have a video of friends in Indonesia where he showed me that planting in certain soil made the leaves change to have more than one point on each leaf.

Yes but I’m talking about the vast majority of kratom. There are ways to get different ones

Horned leaves

All my trees are green only vein

00:09

In Thailand they have a leaf with red stem and white veins

Just like any plant there can be variations of all kinds.

00:10

I haven't seen a variegated leaf yet but I am sure it exists

Yep but msot the kratom in the US is mass produced and they have no quality control and irs all just red … naturally mature leaf

Yup, and that's what small batch is about. I have had some yellow vein sent to me, part of what the owners of the trees kept for themselves. Not even enough to sell, it was a present for me to use

Yeah it’s out there. :/)

Am I the only one that feels like fermented reds don’t hit? Do y’all normally take more? Never had any luck but I’ve heard people rave about them

Cam Snow

Am I the only one that feels like fermented reds don’t hit? Do y’all normally take more? Never had any luck but I’ve heard people rave about them

You’re not alone

Cam Snow

Am I the only one that feels like fermented reds don’t hit? Do y’all normally take more? Never had any luck but I’ve heard people rave about them

It takes about 2x as much

@Accomplished-Ant1176 ah okay, I’ll try that tomorrow

Cam Snow

Am I the only one that feels like fermented reds don’t hit? Do y’all normally take more? Never had any luck but I’ve heard people rave about them

If it’s fermented you typically need to up the dose, yes

09:51

I’ve always preferred a good bentuangie , fermented red mixed with green. Cyndi actually had a really good bent not too long ago

I still have some, glad you liked it!

So how do I know if it's a fermented red? Because it's dark or it's specified in the description when they sell it? Or both?

If it's not green it's probably fermented.

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14:08

You should be able to trust your vendor as to what is fermented. I only carry one because in the markets I sell in they want unfermented reds.

14:08

I have 5 unfermented reds

Unfermented for the win

I really like fermented. Especially at night or when I'm in pain

Unfermented is less likely to be contaminated. The fermentation process can contaminate it if not done correctly

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Makes sense, I’ve heard from someone how they ferment over there in indo

14:14

@Unknown

14:15

But personally I just don’t get much out of fermented reds, I know some people say they get good pain relief from them though

Cyndiann

Unfermented is less likely to be contaminated. The fermentation process can contaminate it if not done correctly

I was thinking about discontinuing my fermented red.. (i am almost out anyway lol) nobody really likes them. I have only had to buy fermented once and I am just now almost out. - after almost 2 months. LOL

BewitchedBotanical

I was thinking about discontinuing my fermented red.. (i am almost out anyway lol) nobody really likes them. I have only had to buy fermented once and I am just now almost out. - after almost 2 months. LOL

Wait ... Which one is that?

Cyndiann

If it's not green it's probably fermented.

Ok so it will be listed in the sellers description. Ty

Fermented / Bentuangie basically means fermented and dried outdoors. Most brown powders that are sold as "Bent" are not actually fermented - they’re just oxidized from drying in the sun. True-Bentuangie is the most difficult kratom batch to pull off, not many do it well (the plastic bag in the sun is not how good bent is made).

BD

Wait ... Which one is that?

The fermented Red MD

Down2Earth

Fermented / Bentuangie basically means fermented and dried outdoors. Most brown powders that are sold as "Bent" are not actually fermented - they’re just oxidized from drying in the sun. True-Bentuangie is the most difficult kratom batch to pull off, not many do it well (the plastic bag in the sun is not how good bent is made).

Whoops.. LOL I had been researching fermented kratom and what I seen said it was put in bags to ferment. So that is what I put on my website lol

BewitchedBotanical

Whoops.. LOL I had been researching fermented kratom and what I seen said it was put in bags to ferment. So that is what I put on my website lol

Here’s a tidbit for you, I will DM you a fantastic link that you should read, it will greatly increase your knowledge on a lot of the common misconceptions in the industry

Down2Earth

Here’s a tidbit for you, I will DM you a fantastic link that you should read, it will greatly increase your knowledge on a lot of the common misconceptions in the industry

YES! Please do!

I sent you a DM!

Down2Earth

I sent you a DM!

Awesome! Thank you!

Crazy how I been taking kartom for years but I learned so much since I joined this join

There’s so many misconceptions in this industry, a lot of what people believe to be true stems from marketing schemes both on the US and indo side

15:10

Once you learn the truth there’s no looking back

Ahhh. I usually love fermented but maeng da never seemed to click with me. No matter the vendor or strain. I have no idea why. I just assume the cerebral palsy is doing it's thing, when stuff like that happens.

interesting, for me Maeng Da always gives me the best results

Kerosene

interesting, for me Maeng Da always gives me the best results

I chalk it up to me having a weird physiology that certain strains don't work like they do for most. It is what it is... But yeah, I've never gotten the hype behind MD strains personally... Tho everyone is so different regarding how things hit, that I don't worry about it too much.

i see, well it happens to me too, some things act differently on me, i guess its just the different brain chemistry of each person

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Kerosene

i see, well it happens to me too, some things act differently on me, i guess its just the different brain chemistry of each person

Completely understand that

16:30

Lucky’s green malay didn’t have effect for me like tried it twice nothing. Tried the green hulu and it was home run city.

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Cheddar

But personally I just don’t get much out of fermented reds, I know some people say they get good pain relief from them though

Mine is actually only half fermented. It's mixed with a unfermented red. I am getting good feedback on it so far.

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Is phillys yellow tanjung fermented?

17:50

I’m assuming no

ill_passenger8207

Is phillys yellow tanjung fermented?

Don’t think so

I just got 250 g of hirsuta from mitra man. How much do you guys take? I’ve never tried it.

Start at 1.5g and increase like kratom (edited)

Accomplished-Ant1176

Lucky’s green malay didn’t have effect for me like tried it twice nothing. Tried the green hulu and it was home run city.

I love there green Hulu but none of the red's. Red's in general just don't work for me. I have a ton of them so I usually mix green and red at night. My night time burn is normal double if not more than what I take in the day especially if I add reds.

Anyone tried the red maeng da from bewitched? Or have a best red recommendation?

Red maeng da from Bewitched is good. MD doesn't usually work for me, but hers is pretty nice.. Though I'm prolly the wrong person to ask about MD types. Her Scarlett is good. NEB old forest red is good **Disclaimer: I like both fermented and non fermented reds, so I never pay attention to what's fermented and what's not. Most reds work for me.

BD

Red maeng da from Bewitched is good. MD doesn't usually work for me, but hers is pretty nice.. Though I'm prolly the wrong person to ask about MD types. Her Scarlett is good. NEB old forest red is good **Disclaimer: I like both fermented and non fermented reds, so I never pay attention to what's fermented and what's not. Most reds work for me.

Scarlett is pretty solid. I'll write a review one day

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JR87

I just got 250 g of hirsuta from mitra man. How much do you guys take? I’ve never tried it.

I actually take a very small amount of it (hirusta) about 0.5gr or so .... But then again I'm only using it for inflammation control. But 1.5 seems like a reasonable starting point for most I would think.

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Anyone tried either of these from mitra Mike?

12:41

I wanna try a capsule but I'm kind of scared of them

I'm prone to wobbles and have no clue how many gs

Open one up and just mix half of it with some liquid. If half of one gives you the wobbles, then good for you.

I see the green Borneo is a staple lol. 500g

Gen X caps are bomb

Has anyone ever tried phillys discount strains? Any recommendations, are they good?

SoulXDestro

Gen X caps are bomb

how much are they?

willha4567

Has anyone ever tried phillys discount strains? Any recommendations, are they good?

have heard they have "Sosa" sometimes and folks rave about it.

willha4567

Has anyone ever tried phillys discount strains? Any recommendations, are they good?

It’s hit or miss. I’ll be honest, as someone who bought from Sosa when he was vending, some have been amazing that stand up to the quality he used to provide and some have been pure crap, maybe some bags aged worse than others but, all in all, alot of them are pretty great for the price

Deleted User

how much are they?

I think originally 3 for 5 for I could be wrong. Have to ask mitramike fam

What’s everyone’s favorite okies strain? How do you think green bumblebee stacks up? I haven’t tried much else from them

Zaiderade

What’s everyone’s favorite okies strain? How do you think green bumblebee stacks up? I haven’t tried much else from them

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I have oth of those n they r FIREEE, esp the Okie Green

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Zaiderade

What’s everyone’s favorite okies strain? How do you think green bumblebee stacks up? I haven’t tried much else from them

I like the white Hulu and white Borneo so far. Red Thai pretty good-ish.... But the white Hulu is my fave, followed by the white Borneo.

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Jon420nChill

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I’ll have to throw it on my next order. I’ve never tried a white strain kratom.

Zaiderade

What’s everyone’s favorite okies strain? How do you think green bumblebee stacks up? I haven’t tried much else from them

I'm an Okies fanboy, I have more if there kratom than any other vendor, consistent and all good stuff bro.. I honestly don't really care for THIS batch of Bumblebee or Dr feel good, but they are still ok... My suggestion would b the green Asia or Okie Green or Green Bali... All hit like a Mac truck, and that's the order fast to slow

I just love Kapuas Hulu in general. Lol. But that's just me. Bentanugie, Kali, Bali, Kapuas Hulu, Borneo, Sumatra in that order.... But I try different places a lot. Tho with the rare exception those are my top rotations since I started with kratom. I do highly recommend bewitched signature blend (bewitched botanicals), and NEB bent+sweet dreams as blends go. I try to vary what I take all day and night long, so I keep my brain on it's toes (so to speak)

Same here!!!

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20:31

I love Hulu too, it's my fav but Okies doesn't have a green Hulu that I know of or I'd have it

20:32

Frfr, Hulu Kapuas is my all time fav strain.... Vietnam kratom is good 2

Greens never did much for me, but I do try them occasionally to see if anything has changed (it kinda hasn't), but I will often mix a small amount of anything green with anything red/gold.... Whites mixed with red all day too. @Overdose_hippy I've not had a Vietnam that worked with one exception, and that was a yellow Vietnam IIRC (it was before I took a two year break from kratom because of reasons).... Haven't really found one I either liked or was able to try in the last several months

I LOVE REMARKABLE HERBS GREEN VIETNAM!!

Zaiderade

What’s everyone’s favorite okies strain? How do you think green bumblebee stacks up? I haven’t tried much else from them

I really liked the Dr Feel Good, Okie Green, White Borneo, and green bali

Btw, I think my Vietnam kratom is yellow, my bad

Zaiderade

I’ll have to throw it on my next order. I’ve never tried a white strain kratom.

Oh yeah..those are my favorite Okies for sure..I mix them together and I will use it for my morning/afternoon burns..:)

The white Borneo is a great mid fast that's pretty mood boosting

Overdose_hippy

I LOVE REMARKABLE HERBS GREEN VIETNAM!!

Only smoke shop kratom i ever used

20:55

Hit or miss but the rmd was usually good

I’ve heard good things about them. And they are GMP

20:55

But of course I’m biased

Heyyyy I like the Vietnam... All the rest never WERKED @ ALL

i wanted to try Nano and Elephant, any vendor recommendations? i like whites and non fermented reds

Kerosene

i wanted to try Nano and Elephant, any vendor recommendations? i like whites and non fermented reds

@Rickbotanicals has some excellent supergreen nano and white nano

Acropolis wellness carries a excellent nano as well.

Thoughts on Kapuas strains? I liked a red Kapuas I had months ago, but I kinda want to try a different vendor. I just acquired a yellow Kapuas and from first try, it's gonna be a fave I think in my rotation. I have a white Hulu from Okies that I'm super happy with. Anyone have any thoughts on that one specifically?

I have a green kapuas and yellow too. Both are really popular.

I can confirm the kapuas is very good!

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BD

Thoughts on Kapuas strains? I liked a red Kapuas I had months ago, but I kinda want to try a different vendor. I just acquired a yellow Kapuas and from first try, it's gonna be a fave I think in my rotation. I have a white Hulu from Okies that I'm super happy with. Anyone have any thoughts on that one specifically?

Love a good red kapuas.

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14:52

Really enjoy fused floras red kapuas

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Cyndiann

I have a green kapuas and yellow too. Both are really popular.

I will have to try it. But prolly next month tho.

Overdose_hippy

I'm an Okies fanboy, I have more if there kratom than any other vendor, consistent and all good stuff bro.. I honestly don't really care for THIS batch of Bumblebee or Dr feel good, but they are still ok... My suggestion would b the green Asia or Okie Green or Green Bali... All hit like a Mac truck, and that's the order fast to slow

Keep hearing about dr feel good guess I’ll add it to the list lol

SC00T3RRR

Keep hearing about dr feel good guess I’ll add it to the list lol

Just took me some dc feel good! I don't use whites to often but I love this one!

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SC00T3RRR

Keep hearing about dr feel good guess I’ll add it to the list lol

This current batch is damned good

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SC00T3RRR

Keep hearing about dr feel good guess I’ll add it to the list lol

Actually I don't really like THIS Batch of Dr ... Unless it's THE NEXT BATCH, then idk... But the last Dr I got kinda fell short imo... Great for blends tho

Dr. feel guilty mean?

21:52

Dr. feel good you mean?*

21:52

Damn auto correct lol

Looking at a split K from Philly’s. Currently have the Gayo, Yellow Tan Jung, and pure green in my cart so far. Which strain should I finish it out with? (edited)

Philly's?

22:23

I heard their Red MD unfermented is a good one

Dr. Dunkelstein

I heard their Red MD unfermented is a good one

Philly RMD is very potent

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Dr. Dunkelstein

Philly's?

Doh! Yup lol. Enjoying Lucky’s currently

(edited)

I just went through a half key split of green gayo green pure white riau and Becky blend

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22:23

It was absolutely fantastic

Funk

Doh! Yup lol. Enjoying Lucky’s currently

(edited)

ha ha easy mistake when it's literally on your mind

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I had there white Borneo too they are all so good I was pretty surprised. The Becky's blend even made me kinds itchy and passed me out. The green gayo and white riau fn fantastic mixed together in the morning. The white Borneo is so so good was my second fav behind the gayo

I just took a big dose of Philly super green from about 5 months ago. Excellent batch

SaucySack96

Philly RMD is very potent

yeah it was one of the recommended strains when I asked you might have chimed in. I got it but haven't treied it

Dr. Dunkelstein

yeah it was one of the recommended strains when I asked you might have chimed in. I got it but haven't treied it

It's an interesting burn for me. Mental relaxation, muscle pain relief, anxiety relief and euphoria, but not sleepy for me. I wouldn't take it in the morning, but it's a great end of the day, just got off work kratom.

I got y. tangwang, Gayo, S. Green, red MD, red suede and they threw in a Beckey's

The Becky's surprised the hell outta me

Dr. Dunkelstein

I got y. tangwang, Gayo, S. Green, red MD, red suede and they threw in a Beckey's

I'm not a huge fan of fermented reds, but that red suede is great

I'm a fermented red creep but I'm also a yellow fellow

I think I’ll go with the RMD, I’m pretty low on daytime reds. Thanks folks

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I like most everything but fast white really

I’ve definitely had whites that were way too edgy for me, so I usually use those for blends

Help!!..lol....Im trying to order oties with crypto..I have cashapp..has anyone done it this way before??

22:47

2nd thought was to just go get a prepaid visa card at Walmart..

I ordered with my card from there a while ago

Dr. Dunkelstein

I ordered with my card from there a while ago

They dont accept my Discover card..

22:50

Im thinking a prepaid visa would be the easiest..

Jon420nChill

They dont accept my Discover card..

Discover the card they don't accept you heard that like the announcer on the coomercial huh?

Right..lol..

Jon420nChill

Help!!..lol....Im trying to order oties with crypto..I have cashapp..has anyone done it this way before??

I just use PayPal to my coinbase account and drop the btc or usd-c wallet link

Accomplished-Ant1176

I just use PayPal to my coinbase account and drop the btc or usd-c wallet link

Right on..thanks for the info Ant..I will definitely look into it..and if all else fails I'll get a prepaid visa

So oties accept visa... May hafta look into them

Dude oties is legit. I slept on them way too long myself lol

herbsandmusic

Dude oties is legit. I slept on them way too long myself lol

Hell yeah man. Im very interested in their 1.9%mit super red md..has anyone tried that??

I've only had the red gold and it is awesome dude. I'm glad I went for it fr. Need to get some more from them. I'm interested in that super red md myself

My Oties is sitting in my mailbox

my first time tryin them out

SC00T3RRR

My Oties is sitting in my mailbox

my first time tryin them out

I got my prepaid visa card and ordered a kilo of the super red md today..:) (edited)

I know this question is probably answered a lot but I for some reason can never remember/get confused and get it backwards. What is the difference between unfermented and fermented reds? And are there certain strains that are fermented vs unfermented?

If I’m ever gonna be a vendor, I need to figure this out too and remember it

‍♂️

SoulXDestro

If I’m ever gonna be a vendor, I need to figure this out too and remember it

‍♂️

glad I’m not the only one!

Defiant Phoenix

glad I’m not the only one!

It’s the drying process. Fermented is dried longer and goes through a different process that outside sun

20:10

I tend to avoid fermented

Any difference effects wise? I think I see people saying more is needed per dose when taking the fermented right

Defiant Phoenix

Any difference effects wise? I think I see people saying more is needed per dose when taking the fermented right

Yes almost double sometimes. I usually increase by like 1.5x my Normal or double

20:14

And fermented is supposed to be more sedating

Oooh okay nice! It sounds like fermented would be good paired with an extract maybe instead of increasing dose

Overdose_hippy

Actually I don't really like THIS Batch of Dr ... Unless it's THE NEXT BATCH, then idk... But the last Dr I got kinda fell short imo... Great for blends tho

I totally agree. The batch I liked was a few months ago. I'm hoping the next batch will be better. Not sure if it's out yet.

What's your guys go to night dose?

Red Bali, Fermented red & yellow or black & yellow mixed

Dr. Dunkelstein

Red Bali, Fermented red & yellow or black & yellow mixed

I've had a couple red balis super sedating. What's black? I have a yellow and gold mix but it doesn't do much for me

Black is just red that they ferment longer and or cook a bit depending on who's telling it

Dr. Dunkelstein

Black is just red that they ferment longer and or cook a bit depending on who's telling it

Dope what vendor do you get your black & yellows from?

Mitra Mike has Sirius black which is black md with red & green mixed in

21:18

or Otie's Black Bali

21:18

Wonderlan'd got black MD but it looks like charcoal dust it's very messy

Dr. Dunkelstein

Mitra Mike has Sirius black which is black md with red & green mixed in

Damn I always wondered what Sirius black was. Do you find blacks to be more sedating than other reds?

21:19

middle is wonderland upper left is Otie's black bali

Dannng looks good at

21:20

Af*

SPAZMANE

What's your guys go to night dose?

2.5 g - Dragons den-Golden Sahar with .01 mg of WG- 38%extract and .01g-of WG-80%moon dust extract

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SPAZMANE

Damn I always wondered what Sirius black was. Do you find blacks to be more sedating than other reds?

very similar, could be the same but I blend so much hard to tell for me

Dr. Dunkelstein

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DAMM , Dunk is having a buffet

niiiice!

ha ha that was an evening cap recipe

21:22

orange is my "Old Bay" extract

21:22

another pil;e is red iso another is Mike's resty red I believe

Dr. Dunkelstein

orange is my "Old Bay" extract

That's so funny I put cayenne pepper in all my shit I need to put some old bay lol

That looks like set your night off well

well I called it old bay due to the color it's kratom extract

Dr. Dunkelstein

well I called it old bay due to the color it's kratom extract

I legit thought it was old bay seasoning not extract

ha ha when I made it I thought it looks just like Old bay, well that's the name

21:25

shoulda called it Old Bae\

Y'all make these pretty mixes. I just take a quarter tsp this and a half tsp of that or whatnot and just toss it.

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if it works, use it

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Really glad I went back to bewitched to try again. Didn't do well the first time. For me but wow. The red borneo and bewitched signature have been great the past 2 days tho fr. Excellent leaf

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Yeee the signature is good stuff

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herbsandmusic

Really glad I went back to bewitched to try again. Didn't do well the first time. For me but wow. The red borneo and bewitched signature have been great the past 2 days tho fr. Excellent leaf

Well thank you darling!

herbsandmusic

Really glad I went back to bewitched to try again. Didn't do well the first time. For me but wow. The red borneo and bewitched signature have been great the past 2 days tho fr. Excellent leaf

The signature blend is my new goto for pain relief. I like the red Borneo mixed with a little tarot blend or a white Bali I have....

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BD

The signature blend is my new goto for pain relief. I like the red Borneo mixed with a little tarot blend or a white Bali I have....

Awwe I'm so glad it's working good for you!!!

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BewitchedBotanical

Awwe I'm so glad it's working good for you!!!

Yeah, I had a terribly bad day yesterday, so when I got home I took your bewitched signature with hirusta and two Advil. I like bewitched signature also if I wake up in pain.

BD

Yeah, I had a terribly bad day yesterday, so when I got home I took your bewitched signature with hirusta and two Advil. I like bewitched signature also if I wake up in pain.

I also take it for daytime pain. It's a really versatile day or night blend. I really like it a lot.

I took your witches blend for my late morning dose (and added some red bent from a trade)..... That combo is still going strong for me... I actually might need to experiment more with some kinds of green or green blends. I hadn't really tried a green in a very long while until your witches blend (that's red and green correct??)

It's was great for me earlier today.

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BD

I took your witches blend for my late morning dose (and added some red bent from a trade)..... That combo is still going strong for me... I actually might need to experiment more with some kinds of green or green blends. I hadn't really tried a green in a very long while until your witches blend (that's red and green correct??)

Exactly this. I have a hard time getting greens to hit but I've been experimenting with greens and lower doses have been doing good for me or mixed with red.

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herbsandmusic

Exactly this. I have a hard time getting greens to hit but I've been experimenting with greens and lower doses have been doing good for me or mixed with red.

It seems a lot of greens have a higher Mit content, than other strains, but I'm only going by the info presented by the vendors.... So I may be entirely wrong on this

They do

15:03

That's why I've redused my green amount and they seem to be hitting better. Not as good as a red but it's probably my body chemistry lol

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herbsandmusic

That's why I've redused my green amount and they seem to be hitting better. Not as good as a red but it's probably my body chemistry lol

I don't think I can ever do a green by itself, (or a white for that matter), but I've been experimenting with mixing them and sometimes it really works well

I can get that.

BD

I don't think I can ever do a green by itself, (or a white for that matter), but I've been experimenting with mixing them and sometimes it really works well

Similar boat but I got a very good red bali blend from Lucky’s that was exactly what I’m looking for.

Anyone try oties super red md..I finally got my order in..lol

Jon420nChill

Anyone try oties super red md..I finally got my order in..lol

No but interested in it. Let us know what the dealio is on it

herbsandmusic

No but interested in it. Let us know what the dealio is on it

10-4 good buddy..

Jon420nChill

Anyone try oties super red md..I finally got my order in..lol

The red gold was moderate and legs longer than anything I’ve had in a while. Hell of a base for a blend. I’ve heard the super red md is similar but faster.

Accomplished-Ant1176

The red gold was moderate and legs longer than anything I’ve had in a while. Hell of a base for a blend. I’ve heard the super red md is similar but faster.

Hey guy, am I wrong for buying opms black shots? Ive always supported small time vendors and have been against headshop kratom but i thoroughly enjoy these overpriced things.

Accomplished-Ant1176

The red gold was moderate and legs longer than anything I’ve had in a while. Hell of a base for a blend. I’ve heard the super red md is similar but faster.

Oh yeah, I need to look snag that one then. Thr red gold was exceptionally good

erectedpresident69

Hey guy, am I wrong for buying opms black shots? Ive always supported small time vendors and have been against headshop kratom but i thoroughly enjoy these overpriced things.

It's your body and your pockets my friend whatever you prefer. I'd advise against that tbh tho

Accomplished-Ant1176

The red gold was moderate and legs longer than anything I’ve had in a while. Hell of a base for a blend. I’ve heard the super red md is similar but faster.

Right on Ant..thanks for the info fam..:)

erectedpresident69

Hey guy, am I wrong for buying opms black shots? Ive always supported small time vendors and have been against headshop kratom but i thoroughly enjoy these overpriced things.

You’re not wrong about any choice you make and whatever you want to use your money for but there are better buys for your money

@erectedpresident69 what is it that you like about the OPMS? If it's the high 7-OH percentage you can find that in small batch as well, and it'll give you more dosing control.

Cae

@erectedpresident69 what is it that you like about the OPMS? If it's the high 7-OH percentage you can find that in small batch as well, and it'll give you more dosing control.

High 7 ohm extract would be nice

@Unknown check wonderland gardens

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Cae

@Unknown check wonderland gardens

Will do. Thanks!

Theyve got a 38% mit 1.6% 7-OH extract that's fire. I use a literal dusting.

23:07

Use something like that with regular powder and taper down to like 2-3g of regular. Then you'll be able to take 5-6g powder without extract and it'll work for you. And you'll save a lot of money not buying those shots. @Unknown (edited)

Cae

Use something like that with regular powder and taper down to like 2-3g of regular. Then you'll be able to take 5-6g powder without extract and it'll work for you. And you'll save a lot of money not buying those shots. @Unknown (edited)

Awesome. I will note this. Thanks for the help

No problem, I was doing 2 shots a day before I found these guys in here

Anyone have any recommendations for Northeast Botanicals? No whites. I have red elephant, Green bika, red s&v, I need one more for my split. Anyone have a good recommendations?

herbsandmusic

Anyone have any recommendations for Northeast Botanicals? No whites. I have red elephant, Green bika, red s&v, I need one more for my split. Anyone have a good recommendations?

Green Ultra and Old Forest Green are both great for me. I hear really great things qbour the Yellow MD, but I haven't tried that one yet.

SaucySack96

Green Ultra and Old Forest Green are both great for me. I hear really great things qbour the Yellow MD, but I haven't tried that one yet.

Okay cool. Thanks man!

herbsandmusic

Anyone have any recommendations for Northeast Botanicals? No whites. I have red elephant, Green bika, red s&v, I need one more for my split. Anyone have a good recommendations?

Old Forest Red

Def a relaxing mellow ‘high’

10:43

Perfect for gaming

Lol wrong thread

Whoops lmao

Well technically the right one

DonFrancisco🐲🧙

Def a relaxing mellow ‘high’

Also we use the term burn to describe kratoms effects. As to avoid any correlation with illicit substances

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BD

Old Forest Red

Thanks!

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DonFrancisco🐲🧙

Def a relaxing mellow ‘high’

I personally wouldn't call Kratom effects a "high" any more than I would consider a coffee buzz to be a "high". It just has a negative connotation in the minds of the uninitiated and with all the propaganda being used against Kratom, there are more accurate terms that can be used to describe the effects. Burn, experience, sensation, headspace, etc. Just trying to offer some alternatives so that we can do everything to keep the plant legal without giving any ammo to the one's that wish to take it away from everyone who enjoys it.

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I definitely consider coffee a drug

(sipping cold coffee leftover from breakfast) Who you calling a druggie?!

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Euphoria

deltaextractskratom

I personally wouldn't call Kratom effects a "high" any more than I would consider a coffee buzz to be a "high". It just has a negative connotation in the minds of the uninitiated and with all the propaganda being used against Kratom, there are more accurate terms that can be used to describe the effects. Burn, experience, sensation, headspace, etc. Just trying to offer some alternatives so that we can do everything to keep the plant legal without giving any ammo to the one's that wish to take it away from everyone who enjoys it.

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15:59

Well said !

Anyone know if all natural artisan has any promos or sales going on? Or if they do splits?

Has anyone tried mcb botanicals or know of the quality?

This is a very long question, it was suppose to be a Reddit post. But I guess it got removed. Question about dosing OPMS black shots, and extracts in general, and the impact on tolerance So recently I've been experimenting with extracts, and have had some pretty good experiences with them. Rather than down a whole shot, or half a shot, I use an oral syringe and dose whatever strength shot I have, to match the same dose of Mit% I get from normal powder Kratom. I just tried 1mL of a OPMS Black extract shot I got from my local gas station, which would be about <50mg of mit, but I def feel this a lot stronger than a normal extract, or powder. I think I read it has higher 7Ohm levels, which could be the reason for me getting a very strong euphoric feeling, off only 1mL of an 8.8mL Black OPMS shot. I usually take 4g of normal leaf powder, which is about 60-75mg of mit, and I dose 3-4 times a day (so roughly 12-16GPD). I try to use extracts (including crystal and powder extracts) to equal out to the same mit dosage of my normal powder. So with powders, I'll take a gram off of my dose, and add 15-25mg mit equivalent extract, to equal out the dose. I know with extracts you get a full spectrum euphoria compared to normal powder, because of the 7Ohm. But is it safe to keep using extracts regularly, as long as I keep my doses down? Or will using extracts overall just ruin my tolerance to powders? Does anyone have any experience trying something similar to this? Or should I just avoid using extracts regularly, and go back to using normal powder, and switching my extract use to rare occasions? I don't want to ruin my tolerance and relationship with this plant. It's way to helpful in my life to take advantage of it, that's why I'm here to hopefully get answers from some vendors/veterans.

Opms has alotta oh7

19:15

Like a tin

19:16

Ton**

19:16

That's why it's stronger 2 u

Yeah OPMS is known for its high 7-OH

19:20

As for extracts, it's a complicated answer that really boils down to what you choose personally. Technically any extract will increase tolerance regardless of the amount used. This is because extracts are made to specifically distribute the alkaloids of kratom without all the extra. However, I personally have used extracts and powder with no issue. I've used extracts in place of powder, with powder, etc. At times I've been as high as 8gs a dose, or as low as 3. There's a certain point in which dosing is personal. If you are basically topping off your powder with extract and that's working for you, then you have your answer. (avoid OPMS in the future though, that WILL fuck your tolerance)

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Great answer

Thank you!

No problem @DMazz441

I agree, well said

21:01

Like i say about extracts. I make a lot i don't take a lot

Dr. Dunkelstein

Like i say about extracts. I make a lot i don't take a lot

Seeing some of yours tho has me itching to make my own

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I'm a bad/good influence

Lol I've not tried kratom extract making and all you guys have me really considering it

Has anybody heard of h4-cbd?

21:50

Its stronger than cbd

Stronger and lasts longer. Better effects it seems to me. The best form of cbd imo

I agree

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21:57

With some kratom on the side and you’re good to go

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yes other than my right before bed under tongue torture i always add extract to leaf

Dr. Dunkelstein

yes other than my right before bed under tongue torture i always add extract to leaf

Same lmao gotta cut that powder amount down or my stomach will rebel

Mine is an evening dose is starting to wane, need a lil more til sleep finds me

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Anyone tried mitraman recently?

If anyone is looking for a good white I just got feedback from a customer they said the white dragon is

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Anyone tried mcb botanicals/kava korners kratom?

I've got some coming to me I can let you know how it is @herbsandmusic

Cae

I've got some coming to me I can let you know how it is @herbsandmusic

Cool beans, please do

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Hey guys any input on which of these 3 would be best for a nice sleep aid? All from dragons den (obviously lol)

Red drogo most likely but the red MD is fermented too

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17:14

LTD is unfermented and better AM or early evening with stuff to do, just my experience with thm though. I haven't tried Red Drogo though

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Dr. Dunkelstein

LTD is unfermented and better AM or early evening with stuff to do, just my experience with thm though. I haven't tried Red Drogo though

so sorry could u explain why the unfermented one is better for morning/earlyu evening?

fermented tends to be slower more sedative in nature

17:21

Unfermented red usually have some energy then later fades into the warm fuzzies

oooohh nice

17:22

ty

Peep wage lol I overdid it

17:22

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so if i just got home from work and wanna game for a few hours, take the unfermented now and then the drogo before bed? (edited)

17:23

LMAO DAMN RUSHH

Nice!

Wageslaver

so if i just got home from work and wanna game for a few hours, take the unfermented now and then the drogo before bed? (edited)

yep or when the unfermented starts to wane it could work enough you might wait on drogo

okay cool, and i think someone said that unfermented you usually up the dose, is that accurate?

Yes just a bit

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so if i take 2g, take 2.5?

17:28

or 3

Yeah I'd up it by just .5 and judge. If needed more can take more. Can't take less lol

lol true, ty

Yo wage

yo

Lemme see the haul

kk

17:35

The 50 wmd was a freebie along with a couple incense sticks

Ya lol she be blessing people . Those incense sticks smell so good lol

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lmaoo yupp burnin one right now

Wageslaver

lmaoo yupp burnin one right now

Yo which strain you on rn boss ?

about to dose the limited red maeng da

Lmk how it is !

will dooo my guy

You use it for pain ?

yeah

Looking for your best recs you guys. Basically, I am a red-head and those I solely take for my chronic pain issues. But the thing: I typically have day kratom (fast reds) and slower reds, only I am low on fast reds and need something faster. The fastest red I have is Otie's Super RMD. I have mid spec to low here, but very few fast reds, nevermind the ones that can attack this chronic cold fatigue and help me function a bit like a human. SO, ANY RECS ABOUT THE FASTEST REDS? I need something fast, literally fast in the mailbox (ha) but fast in speed but it has to be Red!

@GoddessPallasAthena that one place has a super red gold that is probably my favorite fast red

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@Cae great, In will add it to the list. Anything that seems like off the wall bonkers super awesome awake red needs to be my jam.

TOP super gold red for sure. I'm not even that big of a fan of fast reds, and I like this one. It's not anxiety inducing fast, but definitely helps with pain and getting through a long to do list

GoddessPallasAthena

Looking for your best recs you guys. Basically, I am a red-head and those I solely take for my chronic pain issues. But the thing: I typically have day kratom (fast reds) and slower reds, only I am low on fast reds and need something faster. The fastest red I have is Otie's Super RMD. I have mid spec to low here, but very few fast reds, nevermind the ones that can attack this chronic cold fatigue and help me function a bit like a human. SO, ANY RECS ABOUT THE FASTEST REDS? I need something fast, literally fast in the mailbox (ha) but fast in speed but it has to be Red!

TOP wild red aceh, super red gold, gold bali(red), red hulu, green Jonkong isn't a red but it is super close top it and great with pain Fused Flora super red, red kapuas, red MD, Red kali Beleafer red Thai, red MD, Red borneo Oties red gold Purelife red bali

20:59

Now as a fellow red lover Any recs?

Wageslaver

Hey guys any input on which of these 3 would be best for a nice sleep aid? All from dragons den (obviously lol)

@Unknown says exactly what I would’ve wrote to you. My apologies on the delay!

DragonsDen

@Unknown says exactly what I would’ve wrote to you. My apologies on the delay!

uh oh 2 in a row. Blind squirrel gathering acorns over here

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On a roll I tell you!

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I'm not a fast strain person, so while I love reds.... I want the super slow mo kinds

(edited)

I love my fast strains hehe

DonFrancisco🐲🧙

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thank you for the love. My Dragons will see you tomorrow afternoon!!!

God bless you “sahar"? She was so kind she gave me overnight shipping

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22:50

100% recommend here

22:50

Her

I’m adoring your name tag lol I legit thought I was posting my signature everywhere

Nah lol I support yu 100%

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Oooh some Nina!!!

23:44

Lauryn hill did a few covers of hers and omg

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GoddessPallasAthena

Looking for your best recs you guys. Basically, I am a red-head and those I solely take for my chronic pain issues. But the thing: I typically have day kratom (fast reds) and slower reds, only I am low on fast reds and need something faster. The fastest red I have is Otie's Super RMD. I have mid spec to low here, but very few fast reds, nevermind the ones that can attack this chronic cold fatigue and help me function a bit like a human. SO, ANY RECS ABOUT THE FASTEST REDS? I need something fast, literally fast in the mailbox (ha) but fast in speed but it has to be Red!

How do you like oties super red md..I have a order on its way..

Jon420nChill

How do you like oties super red md..I have a order on its way..

Is that the one that has like 2% mit?

EqualRoof

Is that the one that has like 2% mit?

Somebody told me 1.91%mit.. (edited)

I love it. I mixed it with Mikes GMD, a hald an half thing, and it was perfect!

Yeah that’s extremely high for a red. Must be a fast red

GoddessPallasAthena

Looking for your best recs you guys. Basically, I am a red-head and those I solely take for my chronic pain issues. But the thing: I typically have day kratom (fast reds) and slower reds, only I am low on fast reds and need something faster. The fastest red I have is Otie's Super RMD. I have mid spec to low here, but very few fast reds, nevermind the ones that can attack this chronic cold fatigue and help me function a bit like a human. SO, ANY RECS ABOUT THE FASTEST REDS? I need something fast, literally fast in the mailbox (ha) but fast in speed but it has to be Red!

I pretty much take reds all day. favorite at the moment red MD from dragons den . Arrives fast and is fantastic!

thecrystalconnoisseur

I pretty much take reds all day. favorite at the moment red MD from dragons den . Arrives fast and is fantastic!

Yes !!

Does anyone have an interesting combo for Kratom ? i've tried Coffee + White vein and it was awesome, so i was wondering if there's something else im missing

Ive had good results combining crushed leaf with rose hip, ginger, and hibiscus tea

Cae

Ive had good results combining crushed leaf with rose hip, ginger, and hibiscus tea

I've never tried Hibiscus Tea, is it any good ?

Kerosene

Does anyone have an interesting combo for Kratom ? i've tried Coffee + White vein and it was awesome, so i was wondering if there's something else im missing

Agmatine sulfate

Kratom + Lion’s Mane tincture

Oh actually i was thinking in getting some of Lion's Mane

Or kratom + reishi + Lion’s mane on bad pain days when I need to get shit done lol

02:04

Lion’s mane is amazing stuff!

You can smoke it too if i recall correctly

Funk

Or kratom + reishi + Lion’s mane on bad pain days when I need to get shit done lol

i might need some of that, it works with migraines too ?

Maybe you’re thinking of smoking Lion’s Tail? I haven’t heard of anyone smoking Lion’s mane, but who knows? Folks are vaping everything these days (edited)

02:08

Reishi is great for inflammation in general, so makes sense it’d help with migraines

Funk

Or kratom + reishi + Lion’s mane on bad pain days when I need to get shit done lol

Lions maybe works ?

Funk

Maybe you’re thinking of smoking Lion’s Tail? I haven’t heard of anyone smoking Lion’s mane, but who knows? Folks are vaping everything these days (edited)

lol I’d be worried about inhaling spores

Funk

Maybe you’re thinking of smoking Lion’s Tail? I haven’t heard of anyone smoking Lion’s mane, but who knows? Folks are vaping everything these days (edited)

well lions mane is also known as "wild daga" or "klipp daga" which is smokable

Funk

Maybe you’re thinking of smoking Lion’s Tail? I haven’t heard of anyone smoking Lion’s mane, but who knows? Folks are vaping everything these days (edited)

actually i don't enjoy vaping haha

Kerosene

well lions mane is also known as "wild daga" or "klipp daga" which is smokable

Oh yes I’ve heard of wild saga

02:32

Dagga

02:33

Heard it was a decent light cannabis alternative

02:33

Is it ?

I've heard that too, I'm not sure since i haven't tried it

Kerosene

I've heard that too, I'm not sure since i haven't tried it

Damiana is the best cannabis alternative I’ve ever found

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also some people combine it with blue lotus

But I found out Damiana is a phytoestrogen

02:36

So I immediately stopped taking it

02:36

I’ve got blue lotus extract but can’t get the dosing right

also there was this flower which you can make tea out of it and it makes the water blue/purple ish, i don't remember the name...

Kerosene

also there was this flower which you can make tea out of it and it makes the water blue/purple ish, i don't remember the name...

Pink lotus ?

it wasn't lotus

Hmmmmm I’ve done so many botanicals lol trying to think

Kerosene

it wasn't lotus

Have you had Damiana ?

nope, never

Kerosene

nope, never

It’s good smoked makes you feel music really good and very uplifting

02:40

I’m a guy obviously and I was really into working out at that time and I found out it was a phytoestrogen and I stopped taking it. Used to make a tea with it too. It was a hell of an aphrodisiac as well.

Why it would be bad that its a Phytoestrogen?

Lowers free testosterone

That might be beneficial for me actually

Kerosene

That might be beneficial for me actually

It’s cheap too and it’s honestly a great herb and it tastes like black tea

Kerosene

I've never tried Hibiscus Tea, is it any good ?

It's an acquired taste but I really enjoy it now

Kerosene

well lions mane is also known as "wild daga" or "klipp daga" which is smokable

“Lion’s Tale” is wild dagga, an herb that can be smoked. “Lion’s Mane” is an edible mushroom

Funk

“Lion’s Tale” is wild dagga, an herb that can be smoked. “Lion’s Mane” is an edible mushroom

Have you smoked wild dagga?

Nah. I have friends that tried it when I was in high school, along with a bunch other popular “legal highs” long ago. I don’t remember anybody getting much of anything out of it, but haven’t tried it myself.

Accomplished-Ant1176

Damiana is the best cannabis alternative I’ve ever found

Absolutely, that and hops (flower form) also are very nice

12:22

Tastes like *&@t though

Funk

Nah. I have friends that tried it when I was in high school, along with a bunch other popular “legal highs” long ago. I don’t remember anybody getting much of anything out of it, but haven’t tried it myself.

I used to be all into those herbal highs when I was a kid, the only one that was really effective was salvia lol

Salvia is some Krazy shit lol interesting hallucinogenic for sure

15:51

Weirdest psychedelic imo of all others

15:53

The 80 or 90x I think it was threw my ass into an anime world for about 30 min

^forsure dude idk what was wrong with me but from when I was like 14-16 I smoked salvia heavily every day, I was buying online by the oz in 2010. I remember I'd roll a fat salvia blunt and try to walk to the bus stop lol

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erectedpresident69

^forsure dude idk what was wrong with me but from when I was like 14-16 I smoked salvia heavily every day, I was buying online by the oz in 2010. I remember I'd roll a fat salvia blunt and try to walk to the bus stop lol

Damn dude

that's crazy as hell

Right I'm weird as fuck bro lol most of my friends would try it once and be like nope never again, I got some 80x purple sticky salvia stashed away for when I wanna blast off

Damn lmao those higher times extract/concentrates got some crazy effects lol

herbsandmusic

The 80 or 90x I think it was threw my ass into an anime world for about 30 min

I tried sm 10x once and I thought hands were grabbing me

18:17

Like a million tiny hands

Lmao it's strange man the 10x wasn't too bad. 30x and 80x wre where the tripping happened ime

18:23

I didn't like it too much but it's not too bad lol probably avoid it these days

I hated it bro... This was in England when I did it... Prolly straight from Amersterdam

Damn lol I got you.

Yes... Actually I think it was 11x in like 2008

18:26

I spent a summer overseas

18:26

Had a blast actually

erectedpresident69

^forsure dude idk what was wrong with me but from when I was like 14-16 I smoked salvia heavily every day, I was buying online by the oz in 2010. I remember I'd roll a fat salvia blunt and try to walk to the bus stop lol

The way to do it with saliva is to make a tea with it. Very similar to the fungus trips. And long lasting and not super full on Star Wars shit flying by

erectedpresident69

Right I'm weird as fuck bro lol most of my friends would try it once and be like nope never again, I got some 80x purple sticky salvia stashed away for when I wanna blast off

I tried it once, and that was enough for me

Guess I wasn’t the cool kid because I don’t really know much about any of this

It’s a special kind of weird

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The way to do it with saliva is to make a tea with it. Very similar to the fungus trips. And long lasting and not super full on Star Wars shit flying by

We always smoked it. Never new about drinking it till years later. That'd be interesting for sure

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Guess I wasn’t the cool kid because I don’t really know much about any of this

I feel like salvia is something the "cool kids" didn't do lol

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Funk

I tried it once, and that was enough for me

Same here... I did it 1x in England, and it scared the LIFE outta me

Does any have a favorite red from Fused Flora ? I use it for pain control. Someone once recommended one reddit and I can't find where I wrote it down and looking to place an order. Thanks!

I like the red MD... It's unfermented or if it is it's LIGHTLY fermented... I really like 2 mix it with a good green or white, adds depth and pain relief... I don't fw reds a whole lot, bc greens usually control what little pain I have... Also, try red Aceh from TOP, it's good too

Overdose_hippy

I like the red MD... It's unfermented or if it is it's LIGHTLY fermented... I really like 2 mix it with a good green or white, adds depth and pain relief... I don't fw reds a whole lot, bc greens usually control what little pain I have... Also, try red Aceh from TOP, it's good too

Thank you so much ! I appreciate that! Excited to try them, I hear alot of good things .

09:35

It's a sample pack of the RMD from FF... I RARELY USE REDS

Looks awesome!!!

09:36

Unfermented reds usually work really good for me recently. Years ago I could only take un fermented, but something changed lol

Hell yea well that's wassup... I couldn't take reds @ all @ a full dose... I started lowering the dose on both ferm and unferm reds n now the do pretty good alone, FANTASTIC combined with green or white

I usually do red and white in the morning so I'm going to grab one of their whites too! Currently loving the limited white MD from dragons den in the am , super pep in my step

thecrystalconnoisseur

Does any have a favorite red from Fused Flora ? I use it for pain control. Someone once recommended one reddit and I can't find where I wrote it down and looking to place an order. Thanks!

Super red, red kapuas, red kali

thecrystalconnoisseur

I usually do red and white in the morning so I'm going to grab one of their whites too! Currently loving the limited white MD from dragons den in the am , super pep in my step

Super white, white bali, white borneo

herbsandmusic

Super red, red kapuas, red kali

Thank you ! I actually just ordered all of these lol

thecrystalconnoisseur

I usually do red and white in the morning so I'm going to grab one of their whites too! Currently loving the limited white MD from dragons den in the am , super pep in my step

I love Viserion white DD best white imo, that and Okie white

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Overdose_hippy

I love Viserion white DD best white imo, that and Okie white

Yes the Viserion is excellent! I've actually never had one from her I didn't really love !

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erectedpresident69

I feel like salvia is something the "cool kids" didn't do lol

I've grown salvia for years and had no idea you could smoke that shit. Only found that out a couple years ago.

Cae

I've grown salvia for years and had no idea you could smoke that shit. Only found that out a couple years ago.

thecrystalconnoisseur

Thank you ! I actually just ordered all of these lol

Hell yeah I love fused flora. Super reds my favorite. Was red kali but that took it lol

Imagine my surprise when I realized why the high school kids were stopping by my garden every day

Lmao I bet they were

Does anybody have any knowledge on Koko Kratom? Specifically the GMD and RMD

Cae

I've grown salvia for years and had no idea you could smoke that shit. Only found that out a couple years ago.

Why was u growing it?

I still do@Overdose_hippy it's a gorgeous plant

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Ok, so just pretty 2 look @

herbsandmusic

Super red, red kapuas, red kali

I have two kapuas from fused. Both are very nice. The red is on my "to buy" list

18:54

Should I try greens again? I need strong pain relief, any kind of calm feeling (no get up and go types).... Any suggestions, please?

Gold and yellow all the way

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18:58

However the green Hulu from MBC is a nice chill green.

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erectedpresident69

I feel like salvia is something the "cool kids" didn't do lol

Then it’s official. I’m cool

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Thank you @Cae

BD

Should I try greens again? I need strong pain relief, any kind of calm feeling (no get up and go types).... Any suggestions, please?

Dark green Bali from okies was good. I use it later in the day and luckys green Hulu but I haven't had this batch.

The Hulu is slow too, different than other Hulu I've had, they were energetic

19:19

I have both on hand, Bali is wayyy stronger

jjblove99

Dark green Bali from okies was good. I use it later in the day and luckys green Hulu but I haven't had this batch.

Okies sample packs were a miss for me. So I doubt I'll be trying them again. The best one was the red Thai and even that was eh.... I like Hulu but IDK if I can actually afford to spend money if I'm not even sure it's gonna work.... I kinda liked the white Bali, but being white.... It had it's "limitations".... Tho I've had a couple blends lately that had green in them that were good. @Overdose_hippy which Hulu? Green?

19:26

I might try the green Hulu from MBC... That sounds interesting. I just have a lot of reds and yellows/golds... I just want to make sure I keep a good rotation

19:27

I do find Hulu to give me a nice headspace... Which is really good when mixed with something that definitely kills pain, like a Bali

I have green hulu green hulk white indo and white jong kong coming

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Very nice. Please let us (definitely me) what you think. I'm getting my November shipping list together.

I will for sure!

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19:29

So reds for sure always have pain relief? I have two discs I’m the top part of my back that sit on top of each other….was in horrible pain today until I added some royal red for northeast….literally blew my mind that it took my pain away

BD

I do find Hulu to give me a nice headspace... Which is really good when mixed with something that definitely kills pain, like a Bali

Hulu is my all time fav STRAIN, most are energetic with a GREAT MOOD LIFT

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So reds for sure always have pain relief? I have two discs I’m the top part of my back that sit on top of each other….was in horrible pain today until I added some royal red for northeast….literally blew my mind that it took my pain away

Everyone is different in what and how stuff will affect them. That being said, I find reds to be best for pain. Gold/yellows are right behind that. But I also like bentanugie (I like both red and yellow here, I consider them more of "chocolate" strain)... But I'm pretty sure they're fermented. I don't know if you like fermented stuff

Cae

I've grown salvia for years and had no idea you could smoke that shit. Only found that out a couple years ago.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly ???? Like sage or divinorum ?

Cae

Gold and yellow all the way

I can’t find a single salvia divinorum seed online

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I can’t find a single salvia divinorum seed online

Lmaoooo

BD

Everyone is different in what and how stuff will affect them. That being said, I find reds to be best for pain. Gold/yellows are right behind that. But I also like bentanugie (I like both red and yellow here, I consider them more of "chocolate" strain)... But I'm pretty sure they're fermented. I don't know if you like fermented stuff

Reds mainly just relieve pain for me apparently….bentanugie?

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I can’t find a single salvia divinorum seed online

I believe in you keep us posted

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Reds mainly just relieve pain for me apparently….bentanugie?

Type of kratom. I've seen red bent, yellow bent, chocolate bent....

Ohhhh….I get confused easily my mistake

Yeah I should have jury l just said bent. My bad

I’ve been blending reds and greens ever since I tried @BewitchedBotanical Relentless Troll and it worked for me but reds alone most the time just relieve pain…..apparently I need to invest in a few reds especially after today

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red green red yellow black yellow black red all good sleepy

Yeah most of my stuff is some type of red

Accomplished-Ant1176

Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly ???? Like sage or divinorum ?

Both lol

Accomplished-Ant1176

I can’t find a single salvia divinorum seed online

Right. I've tried too

Cae

Both lol

Where'd you get the seeds to grow if I might ask?

Oh I have no idea at this point. I've had em for 10 years.

Damn. To bad lol would've been cool to get some

20:38

Druggardening might have done info but reddit an ass with sourcing so

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Who wants to see me go. Streaking down a busy Boston street if we win ?

I think it’s more common to see live plants and cuttings than divinorum seeds

If I remember correctly I bought the sage variety and one of my neighbors gave me the divinorum with a bunch of other plants

herbsandmusic

Right. I've tried too

They’re like all gone now

Cae

If I remember correctly I bought the sage variety and one of my neighbors gave me the divinorum with a bunch of other plants

You could be sitting on a land mine if you have enough of those

20:55

Gold mine ****

Lol land mine is more accurate

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so f'd up wouldn't notice a land mine either (edited)

Cae

Lol land mine is more accurate

Do you harvest any seeds from the dividorum?

I never have no

Cae

I never have no

Well when you do…… it’s actually not illegal to grow or posses the plant here just to make an extract out of it which happens to be a felony

Lol want me to send you some?

Overdose_hippy

Hulu is my all time fav STRAIN, most are energetic with a GREAT MOOD LIFT

Hulu is fire for sure

I just ordered some hulu. Hard to describe the effects, somewhere between red and green for me

erectedpresident69

Hulu is fire for sure

The Lucky's doesn't seem to b, more slow and chill than "WHEEEE"

Overdose_hippy

The Lucky's doesn't seem to b, more slow and chill than "WHEEEE"

It’s fast ?

No not to me... But I'm still trying it, but seems mid to me, not slow, but definitely not what I thought it was gonna b

06:44

I like fast, Okies green Asia and DD Viserion and Okies white and green to name my favs

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I just ordered some hulu. Hard to describe the effects, somewhere between red and green for me

Yep this

Accomplished-Ant1176

You could be sitting on a land mine if you have enough of those

land mine

Overdose_hippy

No not to me... But I'm still trying it, but seems mid to me, not slow, but definitely not what I thought it was gonna b

Which one is it ? I like slow

Not exactly sedating, but definitely NOT FAST

What strain was it ?

Lucky's Green Hulu